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I can understand why a location was added to the Grand National item, despite never being in the proposed blurb. However it"s now unwieldy, Aintree is technically outside Liverpool, and the relevant sovereign country is the UK (not England). I suggest switching "at Aintree Racecourse near Liverpool, England" -> "at Aintree Racecourse, UK". Modest Genius talk 14:24, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

If Aintree is "technically outside" Liverpool then "near Liverpool" is accurate. It doesn"t look unwieldy to me.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
So why bother mentioning it? Modest Genius talk 17:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
It doesn"t need to be mentioned at all. Just "in the UK" or whatever is fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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  • "Hudson"s grew from a single shop opened in 1837 to a company of more than 1,000 people." where is this mentioned and/or referenced in the target article? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
  • It"s referenced in Robert Spear Hudson, to which the bold link should probably point, rather than the inexplicable current easter egg link to Rinso, a brand which didn"t even exist in either 1910 or Hudson"s lifetime. I"m on a phone and am not going to risk fiddling with main page templates myself. ‑ Iridescent 01:49, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
So it"s not referenced. Thanks though. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Well done everyone, this sat unaddressed for over a day. Brilliant work. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Main Page redesign[edit]

The main page has looked the same for over 12 years and I think its overdue for a redesign. The main page is still using == Default Headings == which looks quite ugly and unprofessional for use on the front page. I was thinking of something like the "executive" design (or even the "regal" design), in which everything has the coloured heading and text background.  Nixinova  T  C  19:30, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Nixinova: Not to dampen your ideas, but dozens and dozens of people have come before you to propose redesigns of the Main Page. The problem is that while you could probably get consensus that a redesign is needed, you would not get consensus as to what the redesign should be exactly. I wish you luck, but this is a very steep hill for you to climb. You would probably need to start a formal Request for Comment or some form of very broad and publicized discussion, as well. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
You can use the textbox at the top of this page and search for "redesign" for all the gory details. It took years of discussion to get a picture caption for ITN, so good luck with a redesign. Isa (talk) 19:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
And one could argue the reverse: the present design is the instantly recognisable Wikipedia "brand" (see any number of contemporary-set TV programs and films where WP is used for research) - and we can all think of several cases where changing the design has been a marketing failure.
When, eventually, it becomes necessary to change the MP design (for whatever reasons) there will be (a) a long discussion involving wailing and teeth-gnashing on all sides on this talk page, (b) people become familiar with the new setting and wonder what all the fuss was about, and (c) several persons will suggest ways of improving the page again (none of the redesigns resembling each other). Jackiespeel (talk) 10:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
WP:BROKEN.--WaltCip (talk) 18:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Isanae (Isa): I know. But again: is there no support anyway anyhow to make this change? Some "consensus construct"? How ever could this en:WP be taken hostage? - DePiep (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@DePiep: What I remember from previous discussions is that there is a consensus that the design is outdated. The problem is what to replace it with. There were various alternate designs, mock ups, etc. that were done, but people have different tastes. My personal conclusion at the time was that unless there"s some executive action from the WMF, a redesign won"t happen. Still, it can"t hurt to talk about it, so have at it. Isa (talk) 02:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

"unprofessional", "ugly", and I"d also add drab and dated. It would look great if we were in 2006. Professional websites, especially ones with our readership do not look like an old geocities design. All signs it most definitely is broken. Aiken D 23:32, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

So do you support Nixinova"s "executive design"? To repeat: "The problem is that while you could probably get consensus that a redesign is needed, you would not get consensus as to what the redesign should be exactly." Everyone expects everyone else to support their own particular redesign. Nothing will change unless enough people endorse someone else"s. Art LaPella (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
No I don’t as they are too similar to the current design. I’d overhaul completely and probably get rid of in the news and anniversaries and make it more like Google’s homepage. But as you say, just my opinion and as it’s so open to variation it’s going to be very difficult to change. Some people still think it’s fine and will oppose any change. Aiken D 10:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I think you"re right about less on the Main Page. Editors want to be read, but readers come here for the search box to choose what they want to read about. If they wanted someone else to choose, they could go to any other website. Mainly it makes the search box harder to find. Art LaPella (talk) 14:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
You mean like this? Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I haven"t looked at that lately! Looks good, but of course a version customized for English Wikipedia and versions for the alternatives would be better. Art LaPella (talk) 04:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Every redesign I"ve seen is at least as ugly as what we have now. And the 2 the original poster mentioned are especially hideous. My question iz, if you know about the alternatjve pages (as the OP obviously does) and like one of them, why not just set that as your home pasge? Or make your own and use that? That"s what I do. --Khajidha (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

But - the main problem with ITN seems to be only "why have we had image X/Y"s ghastly face up for Z days now?" and for OTD "Why was anniversary X missed out" - and one of the functions of the MP #is# to lead the reader to topics they did not know they wished to know more about.
Anyone care to design a "customise your WP MP viewer experience" widget so anybody who does not care for the current design can change it to taste (on signing in)? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:40, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment I think something like the executive is good. Something fresh yet familiar. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talkcontribs 15:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
But it"s almost identical. There"d be no point in changing it to something so similar. I"ll have to see if there"s a suitable design from the alternatives or make my own. Aiken D 15:50, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps the several sections could be made slightly more distinct?
If there was a grand poll of WP users on redesigning the MP there would (a) be only a fractional component responding, (b) a number who state that they are reasonably happy with the layout/want only minor rearrangements, and (c) a very large number of completely different alternative versions (many of which will be impractical to set up). There will be much discussion and disagreement (possibly enough to fill several archives pages) and we will be left with the MP as is/with minor tweaks, followed within a few months by the next proposal for reform. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Exactly, we’re stuck with it forever. Aiken D 18:03, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
It might be possible to have subtle changes over time so that people get used to them.
To what extent does the WP main page-as-is and its venerable age (in webpage design terms) provide part of WP"s brand image? Jackiespeel (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
The reason I chose the executive one is because it is similar to the current page and I thought it wouldn"t need as much discussion as a complete overhaul.  Nixinova  T  C  20:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

If the request for comments at the village pump about a proposal to end the system of portals goes through, that might be a good time to do a full main page redesign. See also section below on this ("Portals links on the main page"). Carcharoth (talk) 12:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment I changed the Main Page! It can be done. Face-grin.svg. Mjroots (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I am creating a mockup here (It is constantly getting changed) but have not received a good response up-till now. I am just linking it here so that it can catalyze other people to have better ideas. One of the major advantages should be that it does not use tables but one of its drawbacks is that it mimics the current page too closely. — FR+ 11:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I find this new design largely inferior to the present one. In fact it is less a design than a list. I don"t see how one could improve the present design in the first place, and changing for the sake of changing is irrational activism. But beside that you proposition seems to me to be a real worsening, with too much place assigned to any banality: here for example "in the news" and "on this day" are screaming for half so much width each. And when tables are the more flexible and powerful instrument for designing layouts so we should be using tables whatever our dear html5 fetishists could say. 194.174.76.21 (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2018 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin
@FR30799386: I really, really like your design, although I would like the headers to be emphasized for easier navigation. Other than that I love it. EDIT: You know what I changed my mind I like it without the bold text. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talkcontribs 10:07, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
But it"s so similar to the current design, there"d be no point in changing it. Aiken D 10:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
@Itsquietuptown:-Ill try to do it Face-smile.svg. I am currently working out a way to make the design responsive but am finding it difficult to implement it — FR+ 06:23, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Don"t reinvent the wheel. The 2016 exercise, sadly abandoned, included a responsive layout without touching the visual design. It was excellent. I can"t remember, offhand, who did the hard work on that; perhaps someone else can? Bazza (talk) 13:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Eureka! Done. Thanks for all the feedback@Bazza 7:-His name was User:Edokter as far as I can make out from the archives. Btw thanks for the inspiration.@Itsquietuptown:-I bolded the headers as per your advice — FR+ 11:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Just to confirm: let"s not grave-dance this. Isa (talk) 12:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I"m still alive. And I occasinally check in. For the record: I"d be thrilled if anything form my design, styled or not, was incorporated to any redesign. The responsive layout is the biggest change. The problem was no-one had any idea for the styling, despite my continued calls for input. The whole plan fell apart not because of the design, but because of insistence on process, only ensuring that nothing would ever change. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey! I"m glad to see you"re still around :) Isa (talk) 10:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
@FR30799386: Why not add a faded wikipedia logo background on the background of the top box thing, like Edokter"s top box? ITSQUIETUPTOWN talkcontribs 06:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

(reset) People are used to the existing set-up (though they may not notice/comment on minor changes), and probably collectively rather than individually find all the components useful. There will always be much discussion on changes to the MP that are actually noticeable to WP users even if three months later nobody will really remember how the Main Page used to look.

To what extent is "being bold" in redesigning the MP likely to involve people not noticing the changes or responses to the effect "I know you have changed something, but what is it?" Jackiespeel (talk) 09:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Why don"t we do the same process as with the 5M Articles Logo discussion? ITSQUIETUPTOWN talkcontribs 06:34, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

a suspected chemical weapons attack[edit]

I don"t know who wrote this nonsense abour "suspected". There WAS a chemical weapons attack. There may be doubt only about who was responsible. Charlesjsharp (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you supply us with reliable sources which state definitively that this was a chemical attack please? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
The main page reflects what reliable sources say, and currently all of the reliable sources say "suspected" and "alleged". Pretty straightforward, really.--WaltCip (talk) 13:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)